http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Gold 5.0.5 (www.jivesoftware.com) Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:40:26 +0000 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19065&tstart=0#19065 That's exactly what I'm looking for. Many thanks, > rvingwriter. I'm off to get that book to see what > else I can use. I think you will be amazed... it's just packed full of things I didn't know about, and I've still not seen mentioned anywhere else. CJ]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:23:03 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:23:03 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:23:03 +0000 Feb 8, 2010 rvingwriter 0 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19062&tstart=0#19062 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:29:03 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:29:03 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:29:03 +0000 Feb 8, 2010 al90444 1 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19059&tstart=0#19059 > Can you give me a few lines of representative > text? > Try the C++ code fragment below. It illustrates > several problems with determining actual characters > with a variable-pitch font and similar formed > characters. > > Observe the differences when similarly shaped > characters are near one another, but they are not so > obvious when the characters stand alone. In other > cases, you cannot discern a difference particularly > because of pitch. For example, two apostrophes and a > double quote character look the same. For another > example, adjacent spaces seem to be collapsed into > one. > > int main() > { > // write to the console > std::cout << "''10-- ___l | O''"; > return 0; > essage was edited by: al90444 In "Kindle Formatting: The Complete Guide", Joshua Tallent (who sometimes hangs out around here) writes: "Coinciding with the release of the Kindle 2, the Kindle 1 firmware was updated to support the use of a monospaced font" A supplemental file he provides for his readers: "Supported HTML and CSS for the Amazon Kindle", has this information: =================== Mono-spaced ... Computer code. (page 47) ... Keyboard text. (page 47) ... Sample text. (page 47) ... Teletype text. (page 47) Copyright © 2009 eBook Architects. All rights reserved. This file is provided as a supplement to Kindle Formatting: The Complete Guide. Please buy the book at http://kindleformatting.com/book. ==================== That book costs only $9.99 at Amazon, and will save any serious Kindle publisher many times that amount in terms of hours wasted. Hope this helps (also hope I don't get into trouble with Joshua for copying it) CJ]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:58:47 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:58:47 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:58:47 +0000 Feb 8, 2010 rvingwriter 2 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19051&tstart=0#19051 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:12:19 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:05:50 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:12:19 +0000 Feb 8, 2010 al90444 0 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19050&tstart=0#19050 Can you give me a few lines of representative text? Try the C++ code fragment below. It illustrates several problems with determining actual characters with a variable-pitch font and similar formed characters. Observe the differences when similarly shaped characters are near one another, but they are not so obvious when the characters stand alone. In other cases, you cannot discern a difference particularly because of pitch. For example, two apostrophes and a double quote character look the same. For another example, adjacent spaces seem to be collapsed into one. int main() { // write to the console std::cout << "''10-- ___l | O''"; return 0; } Message was edited by: al90444]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:03:28 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:00:41 +0000 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:03:28 +0000 Feb 8, 2010 al90444 4 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19047&tstart=0#19047 > In this case, I use a MS Word built-in "List" style > for my "Grocery Price > > Book", and it definitely shows a difference between > the zero and letter > > O. > > But the difference is not obvious when one or the > other stands alone. As I said, this is only one small > part of the problem. Can you give me a few lines of representative text? I'm creating my own "notebook" of code snippets for difficult situations, and would like to try out a few ideas. CJ]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:25:55 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:25:55 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:25:55 +0000 Feb 7, 2010 rvingwriter 5 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19045&tstart=0#19045 In this case, I use a MS Word built-in "List" style for my "Grocery Price > Book", and it definitely shows a difference between the zero and letter > O. But the difference is not obvious when one or the other stands alone. As I said, this is only one small part of the problem.]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:07:26 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:07:26 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:07:26 +0000 Feb 7, 2010 al90444 6 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19044&tstart=0#19044 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:03:42 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:03:42 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:03:42 +0000 Feb 7, 2010 al90444 0 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19042&tstart=0#19042 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:28:09 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:28:09 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:28:09 +0000 Feb 7, 2010 cub06h 1 http://forums.digitaltextplatform.com/dtpforums/thread.jspa?messageID=19036&tstart=0#19036 The software exists. It's not going to change just because you want it to. Is there some part of "suggestion" that is not clear? Do you really believe such things are cast in stone and that the product will never improve? That's kind of short-sighted. I realize that most folks do not understand the issues specific to publishing computer code. It's more than just the zero. That was only an example. The font needs to be fixed-pitch. Often the reader needs to know, for example, exactly how many adjacent space characters are in a line of text. That, too, is only one example. Please don't dwell on it. The full solution is to have a fixed-pitch font in which all the characters are clearly distinct from one another without needing to rely on the reader's contextual interpretation. Kindle is a potentially valuable medium for books that teach programming, website design, and other disciplines involving precise code text. But to fully realize that potential, it needs to support the requirements of printing computer code. I've been publishing such code in print media books and magazines for about 25 years. About two dozen books and countless articles and columns. Trust me to understand the problems, and please do not blow them off with dismissive and ignorant comments about my suggestions. > You might try graphic images. That could work, but its mostly impractical due to file sizes and, to a lesser extent, the grainy nature of Kindle images. Message was edited by: al90444]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:36:11 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:34:39 +0000 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:36:11 +0000 Feb 7, 2010 al90444 2